Andy Grove's Coming to Jesus

Submitted by rebornindependent on Sat, 07/10/2010 - 06:35

Andy Grove, Intel CEO, in the past has been a strong proponent of raising H1B visa limits, giving the industry standard line of

* We need these workers to be competitive

* They are brighter than their American counterparts

* American workers need better education

As an industry innovator, as one of our best and brightest, Mr. Grove has finally come to the realization that an economy is a lot like an ecosystem with all it dynamics, players, and balance. I don't know if his piece is really an apology or not, but at least he points out corporate greed as the culprit, and recognizes the importance of the "every day" worker in the health of the system. These issues have been painfully obvious to all of us who are not the "best and brightest"

Norm Matloff has an interesting article discussing this.

Follow the link to read Mr. Grove's article

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Comments

If you read the post below this

Submitted by mayday on Sat, 07/10/2010 - 09:51.

I already wrote about Andy Grove.

 

HIB & L1 Visas Quotas issued for last 5 years

Submitted by sandalwood on Sun, 07/11/2010 - 21:55.

How come IT jobs got picked on for outsourcing and importing Visa workers. I don't think any other country is as motivated to outsource jobs, this is crazy. What is wrong with these business leaders?

I don't believe there are not enough American workers to do these jobs because I know someone who works in the School system and she just told me about a young boy who never studies and got F's in every subject except an "A" in Alegbra. He got the "A" without even studying so you can't tell me there are not talented people in this country. I think it's just a matter of the companies not wanting to train or pay the salary. I think it has become a crisis because finding a IT job should only take a week and it's taking people up to a year. Does anyone know if the Visa quota numbers are published per year? I would like to see the History of HIB and I believe L1 visas quotas that were allowed for the past 5 years and if these numbers have increased. I would be most interested in seeing the history of the L1 Visa numbers. Does anyone know? Thanks

 

Ratio Citizens vs Visa IT workers at top US Corporations?

Submitted by sandalwood on Thu, 07/15/2010 - 10:51.

I have the following questions. I am still trying to get the information, so if anyone knows the answers to any of my questions please let me know. I will be updating this post with the information I find, but here are my questions:

1) What is the ratio of US citizens vs. Visa immigrant workers working in the IT Depts at every Fortune 100 company in this country? Also, the number of IT jobs outsourced for that company as well.

2) What is the History/Trends of the H1B and L1 Visa quotas allowed into this Country over the past 20 years.

3) Who are the International Technology Consulting firms requesting all these Visas.

4) Are the Immigrant Visa workers still only allowed to work highly skilled (.net, Java, C++ etc...) jobs or has this all changed and entry level jobs are available now too?

5) Are the Immigrant Visa workers really more qualified or is this just a matter of Corporate profits?

6) Are only large corporations outsourcing/hiring Visa workers or are smaller/medium sized corporations doing this as well?

7) Are there any incentives for US Corporations to hire US workers vs. cheaper Visa immigrant workers for their IT positions?

8) The % of Visa workers that turn their temporary visa status into permanent residency status?

9) Is there a % of IT work, that US Corporations can only outsource or hire Visa work for? Or is this completely open for each company to decide? And are these companies being monitored for compliance?

10) How have IT workers in this country suffered and been negatively affected by the lack of work or much lower salaries due to Corporations being allowed to outsource and import much cheaper Technology Visa Workers? It would also be nice to know the count of all the US Technology workers out of work right now.

 

sorry, some of these are research questions

Submitted by admin on Sun, 07/18/2010 - 10:34.

and the data is simply not available. I'll try to write up some of the research that is known but the BLS does not count immigration status in their employment statistics and corporations do not report it.

There is no accounting on the actual number of jobs offshored.

Look in the resources page and read some of the reports there first.

No, there is no monitoring of offshore outsourcing and Obama has Diana Farrell in his administration, she promotes offshore outsourcing.

No, it's been proved time and time again H-1B for the most part are not the "best and the brightest". Sometimes these Visas are used as intended and do find expertise that is not available in the U.S., but for the most part the answer is no.

 

here are some statistics on H-1B

Submitted by admin on Mon, 07/19/2010 - 23:18.

There are applications filed, applications approved, and
visas issued -- 3 different figures.

We've got sources of info on H-1B applications approved and visas
issued, but I haven't seen figures on unapproved applications.

H-1B visas issued:
1996 58,327
1997 80,547
1998 91,360
1999 116,513
2000 133,290
2001 161,643
2002 118,352
2003 107,196
2004 138,905
2005 124,099
2006 135,421
2007 154,053
2008 129,464
2009 110,367
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/statistics/statistics_4396.html
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/NIVClassIssued-DetailedFY2004-2008.pdf
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVIA.pdf
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY07AnnualReportTableXVIA.pdf
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY07AnnualReportTableXVIB.pdf
http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY09AnnualReport_TableXVI_A.pdf
http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY09AnnualReport_TableXVI_B.pdf
Note: These numbers leave out visas issued after an initial rejection and
subsequent successful appeal or waiver. In some cases these amount
to tens or hundreds of thousands of additional visas, about a million
total non-immigrant visas and 26,802 more H-1B visas in FY2008.
This brings the actual total H-1B visas initially issued, renewed and
extended in FY2008 up to 156,985.

The numbers of H-1B applications approved, according the the USCIS
annual report "Characteristics of Specialty Occupation Workers (H-1B)":
year Initial renewed+extended total
1999 134,411 na na
2000 136,787 120,853 257,640
2001 201,079 130,127 331,206
2002 103,584 93,953 197,537
2003 105,314 112,026 217,340
2004 130,497 156,921 287,418
2005 116,927 150,204 267,131
2006 109,614 161,367 270,981
2007 120,031 161,413 281,444
2008 109,335 166,917 276,252
2009 86,300 127,971 214,271
year Initial renewed+extended total
H-1B visas can be renewed once (valid for up to
another 3 years), and extended indefinitely beyond
that. Most extensions are given for those with pending
green card applications.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/report1.pdf
report (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/FY2000Rp.pdf
FY2000 report (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/FY2000Charact.pdf
FY2000 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/FY2001Charact.pdf
FY2001 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/H1BAnnRprtFY02.pdf
H-1B FY2002 annual report (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/FY2002Charact.pdf
FY2002 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/H1BAnnRprtFY03.pdf
H-1B FY2003 annual report (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/FY03H1BFnlCharRprt.pdf
FY2003 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/H-1BFY2003.pdf
H-1B FY2003 annual report(pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/h1bcap_NRrev.pdf
USCIS article on H-1B caps (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/H1B04Annual_08_7.pdf
H-1B 2004 annual report (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/H1B_FY04_Characteristics.pdf
FY2004 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/H1B05Annual_08_7.pdf
H-1B 2005 annual report (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/H1B_FY05_Characteristics.pdf
FY2005 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/H1B_FY04_Characteristics.pdf
FY2004 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/H1B_FY05_Characteristics.pdf
FY2005 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/New%20Structure/2nd%20Level%20(Left%20Nav%20Parents)/Resources%20-%202nd%20Level/h1B_fy06_characteristics_report_17mar09.pdf
FY2006 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/New%20Structure/2nd%20Level%20(Left%20Nav%20Parents)/Resources%20-%202nd%20Level/h1b_fy07_characteristics_report_30mar09.pdf
FY2007 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/New%20Structure/2nd%20Level%20(Left%20Nav%20Parents)/Resources%20-%202nd%20Level/h1b_fy08_characteristics_report_01may09.pdf
FY2008 Characteristics (pdf)

http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/H-1B/h1b-fy...
FY2009 Characteristics (pdf)

 

Are entry level positions also open for Visa workers?

Submitted by sandalwood on Mon, 07/19/2010 - 12:17.

It seems that some more of the entry level positions are now being filled by Visa workers. Does anyone know if this is true?

 

I'm sure it's true

Submitted by admin on Mon, 07/19/2010 - 23:17.

First, there are 20,000 Visas reserved for those who graduate from U.S. schools in STEM, so right there U.S. citizen new college graduates are probably being displaced. We know they are having a terrible time landing that first job out of college.

Then, this is very common, a corporate will reclassify a position as "entry" even though the skills and requirements are senior. They do this to meet the legal requirements to displace/not hire a U.S. citizen and also to pay the H-1B way less than what the salary really should be.

 

Visa stats seem kinda low for some reason

Submitted by sandalwood on Thu, 07/22/2010 - 22:55.

So from 1996 and every year after there have been H1B Visas issued. I guess I would have the following questions:

1) Are all the H1B Visas issued for Computer Professionals or are these Visas requested for other Professions as well.

2) It sounds from what I read that H1B Visas can be extended indefinitly and eventually leads to Green Card status then I believe Citizenship status, correct? I added up the number of Visa's since 1996 and it totaled 1,659,537. So does this mean 1,659,537 computer jobs are filled by these H1B Visa workers indefinitly?

3) My understanding is there also is L1 Visas issued for people to work in this country as well. Is there a way to find the number of L1 Visas issued since 1996 as well?

The H1B and L1 numbers don't include computer jobs off-shored either I believe.

 

answers

Submitted by admin on Sat, 07/24/2010 - 11:55.

1. H-1B is supposedly for anyone with "specialized training". That's personal massage, (yes there was a H-1B Visa issued for someone's "personal massage" to a H-1B Academic.

2. They are renewed on 3 years. But I believe the extension goes on indefinitely after applying for a green card (perm). So, de facto, yes, the word temporary is a joke.

3. There is and the number which can be issued is unlimited. The max stay is 5 years. USCIS.

L-1 Visas issued: (this doc has ALL NIVs for the last 4 years)
http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/NIVClassIssued-DetailedFY2005-2009.pdf

2005: 57,523 2006: 61,984 2007: 70,340 2008: 71,683 2009: 59,579

 

Visa statistics

Submitted by sandalwood on Sat, 07/24/2010 - 15:58.

I think it would be good to know what Countries are applying for the HIB's and L1 Visas.

 

it's there on the same links

Submitted by admin on Sat, 07/24/2010 - 19:07.

India is capturing over a 3rd, last tally and it's not just H-1B.

 

Search computer jobs in other countries

Submitted by sandalwood on Fri, 07/23/2010 - 22:05.

Has anyone ever gone to a companies corporate website and searched for technical jobs/Business Analyst jobs in other countries?

I just did and for this large corporation at this particular time they had 4 Business Analyst jobs in the US and 14 Business Analyst jobs off-shore. My only question is if these 14 jobs were outsourced or if these jobs support that country. The company does also sell products in other countries as well so I'm not sure.

 

yes, and some Sloan research projects

Submitted by admin on Sat, 07/24/2010 - 12:00.

But one must spend enormous amount of time digging into each corporation and not all jobs/investments/plants are even announced.

The mass exodus of jobs was in 2000-2004. Now, I'd claim instead of creating jobs in the U.S., they are created offshore.

the point is the same, labor arbitrage.

There is some Sloan research out there if you hunt for it on their website and Hira was looking into this as well.

http://memagazine.asme.org/articles/2009/March/Shift_Offshoring.cfm

 

additional clarification

Submitted by sandalwood on Sat, 07/24/2010 - 16:01.

I should have clarified:

For this large Corporation they had only 4 Business Analyst jobs currently open in the US and 14 Analyst jobs currently open in India. I did not check jobs located in the other countries.

 

you might hit the reply link

Submitted by admin on Sat, 07/24/2010 - 19:09.

if you are replying to a comment. They are threaded but only a reply will help the comment thread make sense.

Right, well, those jobs simply can be created jobs. I think the point is mute if they actually fired an American to create that job...
it's more U.S. corporations are hiring like crazy.....in India and China.

 
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